还能找到这个帖子,是不是破烂王不讲卫生,得病了,导致胎儿流产?

现在国内两鸟都不景气,但并不表示相机市场不行.凤凰和海鸥据说要倒,正好可以收购其一到两个主要生产车间,但管理和产品开发人员必须换．这就好比用现成的地基造新大楼,虽然一开始造不高,但有基础总是好的.

破烂王大侠：

现预定以下器材：
两台“XITEK”牌的，20mm/2.8 , 35mm/1.4, 85mm/1.4镜头各一。

“PL KING”牌旁轴、120套机各一。

“国货当自强，功在破烂王！”耶！………………

我觉得自己制相机的想法非常非常好，关键是策划好循序渐进的各个环节步骤。
有各种各样的起点，从卖二手机开始，从开冲印点开始。
可以从做最简单使用的LOMO，HUGOS类产品入手，或做周边产品，或OEM，或做部件。
边生产边研发，边注册设计和专利等等。
1个亿有一个亿的花法， 100万有100万的花法。

目标是做我们自己的相机。有时间，有好的团队，有现实的想法。怎么都是可行的，什么样的
结果都是可能的。

简单的步骤如下：
1。简单起始团队构成，简单的实体组成。
团队需要有以下人：相机专家（不是摄影专家，了解各种相机的优劣），摄影行业专家（了解摄影行业），商业管理专家（懂得理智地管理一个公司，建设一个公司）
随着公司的增长，考虑吸入生产管理，高级财务，机械、光学的研究人员等等）
注册成立简单实体，各个人员出资参加。
2。确立工作步骤：是纯吸引投资还是从头干起，确定这一步骤的目标
如果纯吸引投资，一是做一个非常漂亮的商业计划，吸引几比大投资
               二是团队自己凑钱，贷款（不推荐）
如果从头干起，需要确定从头干起的经营方向和步骤。
3。达到第一步的原始积累后，方向比较明确，决定下一步。
... ...

最关键的是启始团队人的构成，能共患难且能够共富贵的。

生产一个把尼康、佳能的镜头接在120、4X5上的万用接环吧，投资500万（包括专利费）就够了！

为什么不考虑仿造生产相机周遍产品，前期投资低，只有模具的费用？

对KIEV88内部结构, 本人略知一二,金属快门并不影响实际使用,它的死穴在于无MLU,空气阻尼延时导致快门速度不准.绝大多数机器的装配并不粗糙.

我的建议是把所有的钱投如研发产品！有好的设计方案。然后找国鸟或俄国某厂叫他们做。多给点钱 他们还不屁颠屁颠的高兴。只要把合格指标定的高些，严格控制成品率  不行的就退给他们重做 呵呵 不怕他们不好好干。

开公司的问题牵扯的问题多如牛毛，要三思而行。

Why people are so pessimistic about Chinese photographic industry?
Why Phoenix 205 is not as good as old Seagull 205? Because, after 1976,
especially after 1985, people do not work as hard as before.

There is an anomaly here. We are in the time of Great Reform and Open Door.
We are supposed to work harder and smarter than the year of chaos in cutural
revolution. We are supposed to produce better products. Actually we are not.
Recently I got a old Seagull 4A from eBay. It is surprisingly not as bad as
I thought. Last, on my visit to China, I check some new Seagull in shop.
It is a miserable duplication of Minolta before autofocus. Poor coating on lense,
bad workmanship on body, hard to turn the aperture ring.
The hell of it is that both the manufacturer and consumer do not believe that
Chinese can produce good stuff. Are we making progress in past 20 years?
Yes and no. It depends on what we are talking about. In many aspects we are not making
progress at all. Camera industry is a good example. This is something
both Deng and Jiang do not want to admit. If you come Seagull website, you
will find caliography written by Jiang: "Seagull flying to the world."
That is bullshit! Seagull does not need to fly to the world. There is a giant
market in China. If Seagull can improve and produce better stuff to take
Chinese domestic market. Seagull will be great.

Both birds are quite sick right now and show no sign to wake up. There may be a hope
with a future private company. That is what we are talking about now.
Folks in this forum should not be so pessimistic. There is actually a giant
OPPORTUNITY before us. I do not think cars will be popupar in China.
We have no space to park the cars, and no gas to run it. But, like Phone and
cell phone, camera is something which takes little space and something you can show off
in your hand. It can be more popular. There is a big market. And there will be potentially
a even bigger market in future.

You guys hear the stories about new startup comapnies in US. If you work for
a new company and got stock options, you pay 1 cent or 39 cents for one share.
When the company go public in future, each share is $100. You know what is VC.
Venture Capital is that, you invest in the new company $1 for one share. Under VC's
support, the company go public, you got $100 for your share. If you guys
go to Hasselblad's website read their story, you will know that it is possible.

two cents for today

Martin Chen

testing

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破烂王：
建议你觉的怎样，可以模具设计加工，
可提供注塑加工的地方也有的找，想
干吗？
如果能一起考虑做三角架更好。

老鱼
   俺最近闲着,另外也是为了比您多分几股西老的股票!

不停地有大侠有各种意见，我的意见是，支持做配件的，和
做相机的，大家分头去做，
先找个地方喝场酒，3、5年后大家拿自己的得意的家伙来，再喝
场酒

,笑S俺啦，老W可是逢人就说他不爱钱的。